An excellent debate between two of the leading scholars of our time regarding the Age of the Earth. There is a great presentation here between both sides. I hope it will help you formulate an opinion on the subject.
This is tired old guff. Why don't you mention that Hovind has been in jail for three years and will be for seven more for tax fraud? Why don't you tell us that Hovind is regarded as crazy even by other fundamentalist Creationists because he spouts nonsense on anti-semitism, tells cancer sufferers not to get medical treatment, thinks the Apollo moon landings were faked, thinks dinosaurs are alive and well in Indonesia (but that most fossils of Dinosaurs are faked by the Chinese), the flouride in the water is an attempt at mind control, and is so scientifically illiterate that he thinks Sonar is part of the electromagnetic spectrum?
Give us a break. Yes, the video might help us formulate an opinion on the subject: That debates conducted on such terms are a specious waste of time.
My friend, you should do a little more research before jumping on the Hovind Band Waggon - Although I'm sure your mind is already made up.
http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=129
In addition, why don't you address his science in a more respectable manner and offer up your evidences and rebuttals if you have any instead of trying to discredit a person as your proof of whatever it is you believe in. Some of the things you mentioned are speculation, slander and an outright lie. Not sure what you're reading and where your getting your information from but I follow their ministry very closely and have for a long time. So I'm up to date with what's going on with the Hovinds currently.
Let's add one more iniquity to the list: That Kent Hovind's Doctoral "Thesis" is a poorly written, grammamatical mistake-ridden, un proofed amateur, unreferenced hash which would fail a grade school standard, let alone the rigorous standard required of a PhD at a real University.
Care to debate on any science here? I'm sure there are plenty of "Bash Kent Hovind" Websites available for you if you wish to look. I suppose I could make one for you if you would like and you have your heart so set on it. Though I don't think you would last one minute in debate with him on any subject.
I think that your profile stated that you were a Christian? Is it your normal practice to bash other Christians trying to share the gospel through the creation message? Why don't you send him an email instead, pointing out his fallacies using science, logic the scriptures etc?
Hey Joe, you're not going to get positive feedback after encouraging people to watch a video with Kent Hovind. He is one of the most mendacious speakers on Earth. Not only that, even if he did tell the truth as he saw it, his videos would be considered an insult to one's intelligence. Most scientists and academics refuse to debate with men like Hovind because they would lose, no matter what. I'll tell you how it works: The scientist makes a stunning case for his "side" but Hovind will either ask so many questions that they can't be answered in the time frame, or he will make statements so erroneous that unless the scientist is prepared to give a dissertation, he'll have to ignore some of the more minor points just to keep up, implicitly making it appear as if the scientist concedes on those points. And even if the scientist manages to beat Hovind by any objective standard, on all points, the mere fact that Hovind is beside a great scientist only lends authority to Kent's position.
In other words it's "Lose-lose."
But really, if you want to talk science about the age of the earth, try looking into PNAS or Nature magazines and online publications for the latest research. I promise that you won't find one paper that indicates that the earth is under 10000 years old, and this is based on over a century of peer review, with unbiased men using the evidence to draw conclusions.
But if that's too much for you, two obvious things come to mind immediately that indicate that our universe and earth is not 6000 years old: we have life forms on earth that are tens of thousands of years old (clonal and singular trees), and we can use the Hubble telescope to see into the past, on the order of billions of years ago. You know when you look at those distant galaxies from NASA that you're seeing the universe as it was millions of years ago, right? Because light can't travel faster than 300000km/s and the universe is so large, a light year is really an indication of how far in the past an object you're looking at is, in addition to the distance.
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This is tired old guff. Why don't you mention that Hovind has been in jail for three years and will be for seven more for tax fraud? Why don't you tell us that Hovind is regarded as crazy even by other fundamentalist Creationists because he spouts nonsense on anti-semitism, tells cancer sufferers not to get medical treatment, thinks the Apollo moon landings were faked, thinks dinosaurs are alive and well in Indonesia (but that most fossils of Dinosaurs are faked by the Chinese), the flouride in the water is an attempt at mind control, and is so scientifically illiterate that he thinks Sonar is part of the electromagnetic spectrum?
Give us a break. Yes, the video might help us formulate an opinion on the subject: That debates conducted on such terms are a specious waste of time.
My friend, you should do a little more research before jumping on the Hovind Band Waggon - Although I'm sure your mind is already made up.
http://www.drdino.com/read-article.php?id=129
In addition, why don't you address his science in a more respectable manner and offer up your evidences and rebuttals if you have any instead of trying to discredit a person as your proof of whatever it is you believe in. Some of the things you mentioned are speculation, slander and an outright lie. Not sure what you're reading and where your getting your information from but I follow their ministry very closely and have for a long time. So I'm up to date with what's going on with the Hovinds currently.
Thanks for your comments
Joe
Let's add one more iniquity to the list: That Kent Hovind's Doctoral "Thesis" is a poorly written, grammamatical mistake-ridden, un proofed amateur, unreferenced hash which would fail a grade school standard, let alone the rigorous standard required of a PhD at a real University.
http://www.atheistpropaganda.com/2009/12/kent-hovinds-doctoral-thesis.html
(link provided as it contains the URL to the thesis so you can see this yourself).
How rank, how embarrassing for you to defend or be associated with such a disgraceful fraud. Have you rethought your position yet?
Of course you haven't.
Care to debate on any science here? I'm sure there are plenty of "Bash Kent Hovind" Websites available for you if you wish to look. I suppose I could make one for you if you would like and you have your heart so set on it. Though I don't think you would last one minute in debate with him on any subject.
I think that your profile stated that you were a Christian? Is it your normal practice to bash other Christians trying to share the gospel through the creation message? Why don't you send him an email instead, pointing out his fallacies using science, logic the scriptures etc?
Hey Joe, you're not going to get positive feedback after encouraging people to watch a video with Kent Hovind. He is one of the most mendacious speakers on Earth. Not only that, even if he did tell the truth as he saw it, his videos would be considered an insult to one's intelligence. Most scientists and academics refuse to debate with men like Hovind because they would lose, no matter what. I'll tell you how it works:
The scientist makes a stunning case for his "side" but Hovind will either ask so many questions that they can't be answered in the time frame, or he will make statements so erroneous that unless the scientist is prepared to give a dissertation, he'll have to ignore some of the more minor points just to keep up, implicitly making it appear as if the scientist concedes on those points. And even if the scientist manages to beat Hovind by any objective standard, on all points, the mere fact that Hovind is beside a great scientist only lends authority to Kent's position.
In other words it's "Lose-lose."
But really, if you want to talk science about the age of the earth, try looking into PNAS or Nature magazines and online publications for the latest research. I promise that you won't find one paper that indicates that the earth is under 10000 years old, and this is based on over a century of peer review, with unbiased men using the evidence to draw conclusions.
But if that's too much for you, two obvious things come to mind immediately that indicate that our universe and earth is not 6000 years old: we have life forms on earth that are tens of thousands of years old (clonal and singular trees), and we can use the Hubble telescope to see into the past, on the order of billions of years ago. You know when you look at those distant galaxies from NASA that you're seeing the universe as it was millions of years ago, right? Because light can't travel faster than 300000km/s and the universe is so large, a light year is really an indication of how far in the past an object you're looking at is, in addition to the distance.
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