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Tuesday, October 30, 2007

A debate with an ardent evolutionists

As some of you may know I have many ongoing debates and conversations with atheists and evolutionist on an ongoing basis at work and at various other places. However I am choosing to post some of the debate with one particular person I work with. He's a great guy and we have fun while respecting (or respectfully disagreeing) with eachother's views. Enjoy the posts and if anyone has a reply, question or comment please don't hesitate to post something. I welcome all comments positive or negative and certainly corrective criticism is welcome as well. (I will post any replies he may have in upcoming blogs as well so everyone else can read them.

Enjoy.

Joe S.

Hey Dom hows it going? Good I hope. hey I have some questions that have been brewing in my mind for months now from reading I have been doing. I know your a busy guy but kindly reply to these at you own leisure. If it takes 10 months, that's ok. But these are only a few of about a hundred questions I think i have. :o Just curious as to what the Evolutionist thinks or has to say about these things.

I know I asked you this already but I don't remember what you said:
1. Where did the space for the universe come from?

2. Where did matter come from?

3. How did the matter get so perfectly organized?

4. When, where, why, and how did life learn to reproduce itself?

5. With what did the first cell capable of sexual reproduction reproduce?

6. Why would any plant or animal want to reproduce more of its kind since this would only make more mouths to feed and decrease the chances of survival? (Does the individual have a drive to survive, or the species? doesn't sound like "natural selection" to me. How do you explain this?

7. How can mutations (recombining of the genetic code) create any new, improved varieties? (recombining English letters will never produce Chinese books)

8. When, where, why, how, and from what did:
Whales evolve?
Sea horses evolve?
Bats evolve?
Eyes evolve?
Ears evolve?
and.......
Hair, skin, feathers, scales, nails, claws, etc....evolve?
Which evolved first (how, and how long, did it work without the others?)
The digestive system, the food to be digested, the appetite, the ability to find and eat the food, the digestive juices, or the body's resistance to it's own digestive juice (stomach, intestines, etc...?)
The drive to reproduce or the ability to reproduce?
The lungs, the mucus lining to protect them, the throat, or the perfect mixture of gases to be breathed into the lungs?
DNA or RNA to carry the DNA message to cell parts?
The Termite or the flagella in it's intestines that actually digest the cellulose?
The plants or the insects that live on and pollinate the plants?
The bones, ligaments, tendons, blood supply, or muscles to move the bones?
the nervous system, repair system, or hormone system?
the immune system or the need for it?

Some Cosmology: Referring to the so called Big Bang Theory-
9. The Planetary Collision Theory says our world collided with a small planet, producing our moon. but such an Impact would totally destroy our planet. How could such an impact produce a circling moon? This would have had to be repeated for all 60 moons in our solar system. The theory would require thousands of planets passing through our solar system for enough direct hits to produce all our moons. Why are not such fly byes occurring today?

10. The usual shape of the galaxies is that of a saucer with a central sphere. This shape defies explanation by the laws of physics. Island universes should not have their highly coordinated, inter-orbiting structure arrangement. The stars should all fly apart. Each galaxy is a carefully organized city in the sky. Can you explain this from an evolutionary standpoint?

11. Angular momentum is another serious problem. Why do stars turn? Why do galaxies rotate? Why do planets orbit stars? Why do binary stars circle one another? How could the super-fast linear (straight line) motion started by the supposed Big Bang, have changed into rotation (spinning or revolving motion) and revolutions (orbiting motion)? How could angular momentum exist and in such perfectly balanced orbits throughout space? There is no possible way that floating gas could transform itself into rotating and orbiting objects, like stars, planets and moons. Can you explain this?

12. Evidence is accumulating that the entire universe is rotating! This is angular momentum on the most gigantic of proportions. Yet the Big Bang should only have produced linear movement outward from it. ?????? My brain is frying man, help me out here...

13. Random explosions do not produce intricate orbits. The theory requires that countless billions of starts exploded. How could haphazard explosions result in the marvelously intricate circling that we find in the orbits of the suns, stars, binary stars, galaxies, and star clusters? Within each galactic system, hundreds of billions of stars are involved in these interrelated orbits. Were these careful balances not maintained, the planets would fall into the stars, and the stars would fall into their galactic centers- or they would fly apart! Over half of all the stars in the sky are in binary systems, with two or more stars circling one another. How could such astonishing patterns be the result of explosions? Because there are no" first generation" (population 1) stars, Big Bang theory requires that every star exploded at lest one or two times. But random explosions never produce orbits. ???????? Can you explain this?

Evolution could not do or explain this

Maybe you could explain this?:

The Mallee bird lives in the Australian desert. In May or June, with his claws the male makes a pit in the sand that is just the right size about 3 feet deep and 6 feet long. then he fills is with vegetation. As it rots, it heats up. the bird waits patiently until the rains, which increase the heat to over 100º F at the bottom of the pile. The bird waits until it is down to 92º F. When the right temperature is reached, he calls for his wife; they mate; she lays one egg a day for 30 days, and then leaves. The male then covers the eggs with sand, and continually checks the temperature with his amazing thermometer bill for 7 weeks. he cannot let the temperature go up or down even one degree. If it cools at night, he piles on more sand. If it overheats in the day, he pulls off sand. At hatching time, the chicks break their shells and crawl up through as much as 2 feet of sand! Arriving at the top, each one is fully able to fly and is on its own. Neither father or mother mallee bird gives it any further attention or training. when it grows up, it does just as it's parents did.

Another story:

Daniel Bernoulli was an 18th-century physicist who first stated the principle that the pressure exerted by a moving fluid decreases as the fluid moves faster. Bernoulli's principle may sound complicated to you and me; but prairie dogs, which live in the western plains of America, understand it well. these little creatures admirably apply this principle in making their underground tunnel cities. The burrows have two openings--one at ground level, the other located on a foot-tall chimney of mud and stones. they work hard to make that second opening higher than the flat one on ground level. Having done this, the Bernoulli principle takes effect and nicely aerates their burrows with fresh air. Can evolution explain this?

another one:

Porpoises (bottle-nosed dolphins) never hurt humans, but crush vicious barracudas and kill deadly sharks. It is sonar (underwater radar) that enables them to successfully plan their attacks. With their high pitched squeaks, they can identify the type of fish, and measure its distance and size. Porpoises have a special region in their head which contains a specialized type of fat. Scientists call it their "melon", for that is it's shape. Because the speed of sound in the fatty melon is different than that of the rest of the body, this melon is used as a sound lens to collect sonar signals and interpret them to the brain. It focuses sound, just as a glass lens focuses light. The focused sound produces a small "sound picture" in the porpoise's mind showing it the unseen things ahead in the dark, murky water. It has been discovered that the composition of this fatty lens can be altered by the porpoise in order to change the sound speed through the melon and thus change the focus of the lens to accord with variational factors in the surrounding water! There is also evidence that the composition of fat varies in different parts of the melon. This technique of doublet lens (two glass lenses glued together) is used in optical lenses in order to overcome chromatic aberrations and produce high-quality light lenses. The porpoise appears to be using a similar principle for it's sound lens system! Can evolution explain that?

how about this one:

Try as they might, scientists cannot figure out how to make light without 94.5% of the energy being used as heat. But the firefly, Phontinus, makes light with 90% of the energy for that purpose. The glow of a firefly contains only 1/80,000 of the heat that would be produced by a candle flame of equal size. One scientists spent his lifetime studying the luciferin in fireflies, without success. Many other researchers have tackled the problem, and have also failed.
The diving spider is a regular spider which breathes air but spends most of it's time under water. Diving under water with a bubble, and fastening it to vegetation, the spider uses it for air and a nest. The living and nesting habits of this spider are complex and amazing. As soon as the babies are born, they do their part in diving and helping the family.

Hey I have more but I need to go take care of something. I'll send some other questions I have also out to you some other time. Feel free not to answer any of these if you wish, I just thought that since you are the only stubborn, I mean genuine evolutionists I know I would ask you first :)

Thanks man, see you at work....

-- Joe Sirianni - Man of God

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

Evolution or Creation? Do we really have to subscribe to one line of thinking or the other as Christians? Could it be... could it just be that both are right? We will certainly never know for sure, but I think so.

If you read enough of the New Testament, it becomes very clear, very quickly that Jesus love to speak to people via parables (a.k.a Stories). Why you ask? Good question. Jesus tells his disciples straight up in Matthew 13:9-16.
"Therefore I speak to them in parables; because while seeing they (referring to the multitudes of people listening) do not see, and while hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. ... But blessed are your eyes, because they see; and your ears, because they hear." (Matt 13:9-16)

What does this mean? What Jesus is getting at is that he speaks via story telling so that only his true followers and believers will understand the moral of the story. To anyone else, the story is just a story. As far as the non-believers are concern, the story may as well be a literal one. For His believers, Jesus expects them to see through the story, and understand that it’s not meant to be taken literally. The moral of the story, is what’s important, not the story itself.
So let me ask you this? Why would God manifested through Jesus Christ all of a sudden start teaching his people through story telling in the New Testament. Fact is, God has not changed his methods. God has been teaching his people through stories all throughout history. If you talk to many Jews, they will tell you this themselves. Much of the Old Testament is told in stories, some of them factual stories, some of them illustrative stories that only his followers are meant to understand.

So now, lets come full circle to the creation story. Story or literal fact?

I believe the story of creation is just that... a story. It’s a story that God passed to his people to illustrate the marvel of his creation. God spoke to his people in the form of stories many times throughout history, why would this one be any different? God expects use to see the moral of the story, not the literal story itself.

When God said in Genesis that he created the heavens and the earth in 7 days, did he literally mean 7 human days as we know it? God was pretty clear that his time does not equal our time. He said "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." (2 Pet 3:8 NIV) Again, even in this passage, God does not mean that 1 day literally equals 1000 years in God’s time. It is another "story" that illustrates the vastness of God’s time and how it’s different than what we human’s perceive.
So, could God have actually created the earth in 7 days... absolutely, no doubt! Did he have to do it this way in order to demonstrate his all encompassing power? No. God has nothing to prove to us.

I believe that God instituted evolution itself and used it as his method of creation. I believe that God created that first spark of life and guided it patiently and deliberately towards the creation of not just humans but all living things. How breathe taking!

I just don’t understand why many Christian’s are so intent on disproving evolution, when if we really think about it, evolution itself is the most miraculous creation of all creations. I am not saying that God had to do it this way... he could have chosen to do it any way He wished. The fact that God choose to create a creation that dynamic evolves and self-improves over time in a direction that he sees fit is extraordinary. It demonstrates a God with even more wisdom, power, and control than we could have ever imagined.

The evidence of evolution is all around us. There is no denying that God created the tendency of living things to evolve. One of the best examples of this evolution at work is the domestic Dog. Only a couple hundred years ago, there were only a hand-full of Dog breeds (which stemmed from the wild wolf). Since then dogs have been selectively breed by humans into hundreds of varied breeds of all shapes and sizes. Everything from a few inches in the Chihuahua to a few feet in the Irish Wolfhound; from white to black, and every color in between; from long fur to short, from straight fur to curly. ... and all this from dogs that looked much like the wild Wolf. This evolution of dogs is fact and there is no denying it.

Evolution is clearly evident in all living things. God allowed Scientists like Darwin to discover it, not to disprove God, but to glorify Him. Just when we thought we had God all figured out, God reveals another small glimpse at the splendor of His grand design that completely blows us away. We can all either shun it in disbelief or we can praise God for once again blowing our minds and demonstrating that through Him anything is possible!